The National ID Card

matthew's picture

The Federal Government, in 2005, signed into law the "Real ID Act". Among other things, it aims to enforce a uniform standard of licensing among all states, require all state databases to make information available to all other states with Real ID, revoke local legislation prohibiting physical borders upon national borders, and make some changes regarding immigration.

They extended the compliance date to December of 2009, IMHO, in an attempt to allow voters time to forget who voted for it and grow to accept it as fact rather than fight it. That said, there are a number of states which have passed resolutions of non-compliance with Real ID.

What do you think of this Real ID law? Is a federal ID system -- which, I think, is what this amounts to -- a good idea? Why or why not?

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JB's picture

eh..

I fall into the Who cares catagory. I did a quick glance at some of the information and don't see what the major difference between the State Driver Lic. system is and moving to a government controlled system. I am not certain why we would want to move this to a federal level rather then the state. Seems like a waste of resources. I am sure that there will be a federal office that controls regional offices. These regional offices will probably look a lot like the DMV's do now.

So other then having one "master" data base for hackers to attack and steal information, I am not seeing what the need for a "federal" id is.

weed's picture

Yes and no

I think I read somewhere, possibly even here, although I couldn't find it, that when the gov't instituted the social security number, it stated on the card that it should not be used for any other purpose that social security tracking.

So what's the difference between Real ID and the SSN?

As it pertains to driver's licensing, I live in a state where all you to do is basically show up to the DMV to get a driver's license.

I don't think there's a big reason for states not to share their data between themselves and the federal government. You've given your information to one gov't beaurocracy, what's the big deal if another one has access to it? The whole debate about whether or not the government should be worrying about licensing me to drive or using my money to build roads is bigger than I feel like typing right now.

I already feel that if immigrants are going to work here and get taxpayer benefits, they should pay taxes. Putting up a wall between us and Mexico doesn't concern me. They'll still get in illegally, but it'll be harder. I have no problem with that.

My $.02
Weed

My $.02
Weed

JB's picture

uh-huh

I can support the exchange of information inter-state and intra-state. I don't understand why we need a "standardized" license. The government could dictate the meta-data that states are required to record, but i think it would be a waste of federal resources to try to re-engineer a new system.

Timpane's picture

On the other hand..

Its a pisser when you move.
Moved 8 months ago.. still dealing with it.
Ecch.

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Sammy G's picture

eh as well

Like Jon, I'm also in the Who Cares category.

matthew's picture

My Primary Concern...

My primary concern is that I think we're getting closer and closer to the "Your papers, please!" Stalinist-type security. We're building tall walls to (ostensibly) keep people out of our country. Fascists are running the country, we're at war trying to spread our way of government around the world, and the propaganda machine -- Fox News, Pravda of the West -- is running full-swing, with other news outlets cowed into following the party line.

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Timpane's picture

Matt, matt, matt.

We're no longer a loose confederation of states. I get a little sick of state laws changing from line to line. It was exhausting getting my Nursing License transferred, and I still can't practice in half the country. I'd love licensure to be nationwide.

That being said, what's the problem with a wall, except that it might not work? How does that restrict our rights?

Also, Fascists are not running the country. Conservatives are, and while they may be right wing, I see that Stalin comparison laughable. I don't think we're looking at "Your papers please". We're in an ill-concieved war with an old enemy as a kneejerk reaction to an attack. Its a bad war.. but we're hardly invading every non-democratic country.

And the propoganda machine is hardly Stalinnist. The GOVERNMENT controlled radio is decidedly Liberal. AND I hardly see Cowed news networks. Sure, FNC is right leaning. But there are plenty of left-leaning sources.

I must note that while your posts are certainly more colorful than in the past, they are also less logical. They are poetic, but almost every note in this post is hyperbolic representation of a milder truth. You're beginning to sound downright anti-government, anti-religion, pro-gun... Just please.. dont grow a beard.

(Please also note the jesting tone and dont take too much offense)

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JB's picture

Do what...

My primary concern is that we are grasping at straws. I don't believe that there would be a difference between a state regulated lic. or a federal regulated lic.. If the federal government starts to mandate "passport like" procedures for movement between states - then I will be concerned. The problem with this country is that we have not maintained a strict regulation on immigration for such a long time that any implementation of regulation now seems strict. I can not understand the arguement of well they are here already and they cut my grass really well - so we should let them stay. I digress. I am missing the end result that the fed. lic is looking to obtain. Maybe i have a skewed view of my data being disbursed because of the security clearance process that I have had to go through. Many agencies in the federal government have records that include more info about me than I probably know.

I don't see how this is going to solve any of the issues about immigration. Is the new ID going to be "Forgery Proof"? - said sarcastically. Re-shuffling the deck chairs on a sinking ship is not going to accomplish the expected end result of enforcement (keeping the ship afloat).

I can understand the comparison of the US promotion of diplomacy to the Soviet Unions attempt to spread communism. An interesting comparison - I don't see how this fed. ID plays into the propaganda machine though.

weed's picture

Government Bloat

The problem is that we seem to want government to protect us, coddle us, and save us from ourselves. You personally may not, but look at voting records. The government raises tax to pay for programs and laws and fees, and we don't vote them out, so by proxy we must endure what we do not prevent.

So since we want a government to swaddle us and treat us like children, keep us from the harsh realities of life, it follows that such a government must have more power to perform such tasks. If we would allow the government to implant a RFID chip in all of us which contained our ID data, then imagine how much better they could patrol borders. Imagine the conveniences as well:

Your medical history literally in your fingertip, no more annoying fill out redundant paperwork in each doctor's office you visit.
Pay for things with a swipe of your finger. You swipe, a picture comes up of you on the teller's screen for verification, and the payment is authorized.
Same thing for your driver's license and any other documentation you need. Store it in the chip on your fingertip. No more carrying of credit cards or any forms.

Who cares about loss of privacy when the world becomes so much more convenient? And safer, because you know the government would absolutely be wonderful about our security with such data.

However, I must admit Justin's chastising post to Matthew did make me laugh.

My $.02
Weed

My $.02
Weed

Timpane's picture

Ribbing...

Ribbing, not chastising.
I respect Matt more than most people on the Planet. I've looked up to him since I was 14. I'm just having a little fun! (Please don't shoot me.)

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rowan's picture

He totally could...

He totally could... shoot you, I mean. Since, you know, he's got a gun, and... well, you don't.

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