I voted for Bush. Twice. Two times.
First time, it was because honestly, he seemed like the better choice. He did a good job in texas, people liked him, he reached across the aisle, and yeah.. he shared osme of my moral beliefs.
Second time, it was more complicated. I watched Farhenheit 911 the night before.. I was thiiisss close to Kerry.. but the man, dammit.. every time he was asked about his plan, all he could do was say “Bush did…” – his entire campaign was about anti-Bush.. and at least GW was FOR something..
Turns out, GW is the worst president we’ve probably ever had.. whoops..
So.. if Hilary had gotten the democratic nomination.. I might have found myself in the same predicament. McCain, I Like him.. he was, at one time.. really cool.. and I like to think he is pandering to get his base back, but really.. just wants to be that cool guy again. Hilary was over-political, dirty-fighting, cold-n-calculating, accusatory, and unable to engage in any real positive messages except her health care plan (which, admitteldy, I really liked). So I might have found myself torn and going with the GOP (of which I am a registered member) yet again.
But.. nope. I am a Republican, and I am voting for Barack Obama. He is positive, lightning-quick, well spoken, informed, savvy, and able to sit down with those world leaders and be respected. He is new blood, and, if he wins, he may be, finally, the return to presidentiality we have yearned for. Face it.. Johnson was seedy, Nixon was a loser, Ford was a lame duck form moment one, Carter was a wet noodle, Reagan was good but “likeable” and fuzzy, Clinton played the sax and a fat intern and GW went form lovable laughing stock to dangerous man-child with his finger on the f**kin Button..
JFK, Lincoln, FDR, Teddy, Adams, Washington, Jefferson (George AND Weezie) – they all had that Je Ne Sais pas, that ting about them.. and Obama may well have it too.. so.. yeah.. I am Republican, and I am voting for Barack Obama.
Yes We Can…
I initially leaned towards Hillary. Thinking that if she were elected then Bill’s influences would be back in the White House. Hillary seemed like a strong candidate, but something about her didn’t give me that warm and fuzzy.
I like the stance that Obama has on Iraq. He has stated that he wants to bring our troops home. Obama has stated that he would not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.
I like the stance that Obama has on technology. He has stated that he wants to invest in technologies to modernize the nation and government to the 21st century. This is important for us if we are to keep our position as a global power. I think that this is an important place to direct our federal budget.
I think his slogan is funny. “Yes We Can”. Bob the builder has the very same slogan – “Can we fix it – Yes we Can!”
Republican
Republican here.
Voting Obama here, too.
Unfortunately, my vote is more a vote against McCain. The man decided to repeatedly sing “Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran” on the campaign trail, to the tune of “Barbara Anne”. He thought it was funny, and when called on it by the press, began to do it even more. There are other reasons, but his hawkish focus on going to war with Iran leaves me cold against him.
I don’t think war is funny.
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Matthew P. Barnson
George Carlin
Picture Porky Pig warring Elmer Fudd..
It loses something in the translation..
Oh.. Team America.. war CAN be funny.
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vote
As with me, my vote is more of a vote against McCain, we do not need another 4 years of Bush type politics, or we will probably be at war with the whole world
Poor Taste
Hadn’t heard that story before, but if it’s true that’s definitely in poor taste.
Not sure if it’s as poor taste as looking to anti-American racists for spiritual guidance, but whatever.
Certainly not as bad as supporting the killing of born, alive unwanted infants, but whatever.
Not sure who I’m voting for yet, but I can tell you who it won’t be…no matter how silver-tongued he may be.
Overstating..
Re: Rev. Wright: Look, I’ve heard his speeches, and until he had a national camera on him, I got what he was saying (yeah, the “God Damn America” Stuff too.. I will be the first to admit that we as a country have gone astray). And, seriously, McCain has his own spiritual guides who have said things about the Holocaust that have offended. Obama rejected Rev. Wright as soon as he started going really nusto.
Not sure what the infants thing is about (Partial birth? In that case, yeah, I strongly oppose that practice – but I can no longer be a one-issue voter).
The fact is, its not just about being silver-tongued, but yeah.. that is part of it. The world is run in meetings and speeches. Being charming and smart and able to command respect.. that is a HUGE part of it.
And I think, when it comes to it.. Obama has the intelligence to back it up.
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killing babies
The baby thing is about late-term abortions gone awry which result in a complete live birth. In Illinois they tried to get a law through to say that those babies were people who deserved medical intervention. He opposed it and kept it in committee. In the US Senate it came to the floor and he voted “present” rather than aye or nay. I think that shows complete moral depravity. Taking a premee and sticking it, alive, in the trash room? Or suffocating it by hand? That’s where you go to jail as far as I’m concerned, but Barak Hussein Obama disagrees.
Read more here or from the WSJ article, The Audacity of Death.
Political One-Upmanship
“Present” does not mean “no” in this case, it means “you are game-playing, and I refuse to vote on a needless bill that is designed as a political stunt to label me and my fellow party members as either baby-killers or liars.”
Too bad that message is missed in the anti-abortion pundit arena. Refusing to vote, despite what the pundits would have you believe, is not the same thing as endorsing infanticide.
I would write more, but it is laborious as I have an infection in my left hand preventing its use right now.
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Matthew P. Barnson
Well, except that doctors
Well, except that doctors are actually killing born babies. If stopping that is a political stunt, I’m not sure what is considered legitimate legislation to you.
Killing a baby is not an abortion. Believing unwanted children should not be thrown in a dumpster is not anti-abortion. Totally a red herring. Why do teenage girls who do this go to jail, but doctors do not?
Sorry to hear about your hand.
“Started Going Really Nutso?”
I have a problem with the idea that Obama left Rev Wright because Rev Wright went off the deep end. Rev Wright did not go off the deep end. He’s been swimming in the deep end for years and years now. and Obama and his wife have been sitting in that church listening to it the whole time.
What happened was that when Rev Wright saw Obama campaigning and not speaking up for the things Rev Wright preached about in church, he (and his ego) decided that Obama needed a little reminding. However, what plays out in a church sermon in Chicago doesn’t play out in the presidential race and on national media. So Obama had to cut ties with him, not because he necessarily disagrees, but because Wright became political kryptonite. Now Obama will never, ever admit that, but you can’t tell me that Wright spontaneously started preaching the anti-America thing overnight.
As for the partial-abortion birth issue, in my perverse way of seeing things, an abortion is already murder, so if the abortion is botched and the baby is delivered, what’s the difference if you kill it then? Before you rant against me, I still think it’s evil, but I think the abortion is JUST as evil, so really, you were going to commit the evil in the form of an abortion, and you messed up, so what’s the difference in finishing the job? It’s still 100% evil in my book, regardless of whether it took place in the womb or outside? Just because one involves a baby you can hold doesn’t lessen the murder of the other baby. If the law doesn’t protect a late-term abortion when the baby is viable, why should it protect an unwanted baby minutes after delivery? It should have a SWAT team assigned to it to make sure it doesn’t get out of the hospital. Because the mother has rights too, you know.
I can’t vote for McCain, and I’m quickly losing the ability to vote for Obama. Ron Paul, here I come! Another election with a thrown away vote…God Bless the Two-Party System!
Wow, I just depressed myself by typing a post.
My $.02 Weed
Would you…
Would you also hold the racist, sexist, homophobic beliefs of the former leaders of my former church against me the same way?
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Matthew P. Barnson
Uhm….maybe
Well, yeah, unless you started a blog that denounced your former beliefs and stated your newfound belief in logic and fairness over wierd human interpretations of supernatural beings. If you did that, I might let you slide…oh, and model airplanes. Lots of minutiae about model airplanes.
Seriously, tho, it’s not like he’s making a big deal of how he doesn’t stand for Wright’s comments. It’s more like he’s keeping quiet about it and hopes that it goes away.
You left the church because you came to an epiphany. Obama left because the church became political baggage. Big difference.
And this is but one straw of the reasons I’m losing faith in Barack. I have more, so it’s not just the Wright thing.
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Minutiae
You know just what to say, Steve.
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Matthew P. Barnson
Two Items
– First, re: the abortion dispute. Let’s be completely honest… we’ve been assigning relative values to human life since the dawn of time. “An American life is worth more than an Indian’s.” “A white upper class life is worth more than a black urban teen’s.” “A life immediately after it’s left the womb is worth more than a life before it has.” So just because we might say we oppose abortion, that in no way means our hands are clean from the crime of not valuing life.
There are a million and one good reasons to oppose abortion, and a million and one good methods of doing so, but for anyone inclined to spew any kind of holier-than-thou, let – me – sum – up – the – entirety – of – this – person’s – stance – on – a – VERY – complicated – issue – with – one – clever – biting – catch – phrase, rhetoric about people who have a different opinion, or even those who have the same opinion but give it a lesser ethical priority… well, may I humbly suggest you first deal with the wooden beam in your own eye.
The fact is, NONE of us value human life like we should. And while we have EVERY moral right to oppose a practice that we find devalues life, we have no moral authority to denegrate the humanity of people who disagree. Doing so demeans both us and the cause we’re trying to promote.
– Second, concerning Rev. Wright, this was not just an issue of Obama publicly breaking from the views held by his church’s pastor (which I agree, are probably a lot less spontaneous than they would have us think). This was also an issue of Obama having to cast aside a lifelong friend in the most public forum the world has ever known. I’m kind of inclined to understand his reluctance to do so.
In the speech Obama gave after Rev. Wright’s first round of statements, he hit the nail on the head for me when he described his grandmother, who was a loving, strong, spiritual, person and a tremendously positive influence on his life, and who also happened to occasionally say racist remarks that apalled him. Should someone forget all of the good stuff about a person just because of the negative in them? (I suppose it goes without saying I’m supporting the guy… mostly because he genuinely seems to understand that no political issue has a simple 10-word solution.)
Of course, it’s a lose-lose situation for him, though. Half of his critics rail against him for not sticking by his friend and pastor, the other half rail against him for not dumping him earlier.
And as a final thought on the matter, anyone who has ever seriously attended a church knows that there’s a lot more to being part of a spiritual community than just agreeing with everything the pastor says. I loved my youth group and parish in college, but if lockstep agreement on every issue that my priest addressed had been a requirement, I wouldn’t have lasted two weeks.
well now
Rowan,
I like to think of myself as a pretty even-keeled guy who values fairness above all else. I detest an unfair fight, unless mother nature made the contest unfair (like when I play my 6’2′ brother in sports. Being 5’6″ myself, that’s unfair. Life’s unfair, but I don’t like when people make even more so…) However, I’ve found two things, ideals, stances in my life where I don’t seem to be able to move.
One of them is abortion. It’s murder. Who is anyone to say what the life of an unborn fetus will turn out like? I’m extreme enough to say even the mother doesn’t have that right. She made the choice to have sex, she needs to be prepared for the consequences. I am flexible enough that if a woman was raped, she has the right to an abortion, because in that case she didn’t choose to have sex. However, in every other case, if you had sex, you need to know that a baby can result, even if you wear a condom, are on birth control, and he said he had a vasectomy. Once the egg and sperm meet and are safely entrenched in the uterus, then as long as no outside events interfere, a new life will result. At that point, it’s murder. Yes, people make bad decisions, and maybe I should be more compassionate to those, but in the end, in my view, you’re committing murder. And I don’t think there’s much gray area there.
The other is smoking. I hate smoking. Go slowly poison yourself somewhere far, far away from me.
As for Obama, I think he’s a far, far better candidate that McCain. However, he’s recently seemed to be doing things which don’t sit right with me. The Wright thing had to be done from a political standpoint, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. He recently called for a tax on oil company profits. That’s just appeasement of the masses, with no solid economic basis. Oil prices are just correcting from years of being forcibly held lower.
In 1970, gas was $.36/gallon. Silver was $1.64/oz. Gold was 35.94/oz.
Today, gas is $4.00/gallon. Silver is 17.22/oz. Gold is 900/oz.
So in the past 38 years, gas is 11 times more expensive, silver is 10.5 times more expensive, and gold is 25 times more expensive. So as a commodity, gas is pretty much where it should be. It’s just that the US forced the price down as long as it could until the OPEC nations realized they could do what they want. The oil companies shouldn’t be punished for making money, because if you go by that theory, most banks and insurance companies would need to be taxed as well.
Look at the housing market. Where was the gov’t when loans were being made to people who had no way of qualifying for them. Nowhere, because people were making money. And now, the housing market is in a tailspin because that boom was pushed further and longer that it naturally would have went, to keep the economy looking good. And when it did crash, because everthing is cyclical, the gov’t wants to bail out people and banks for making loans that they should have never gotten into?
But I digress…what I want my president to say is that he’ll do the right thing, regardless of whether it’s popular or not. It just has to make sense. And not just to him and his circle of advisors, but to experts as well.
Actually, one of my main reason I had to vote for Obama was that even thoughy both candidates were going to spend too much money, as least Obama was going to spend it domestically as opposed to in Iraq. But I can’t advocate any candidate raising taxes when the gov’t is basically throwing away what they take now.
Ron Paul in ’08!!!
My $.02 Weed
Ron Paul will lose.
Whether you believe in him or not. It will be one of these two guys. You know that.
This election is incredibly important.. the most important in a long time.. it cannot be denied America is in a crisis.
You have said that you believe Obama is a better candidate, but you can’t vote for him because of some issues.
So you have two choices about where you can vote that will make a difference in the election.. and one choice that will leave your vote neutral but will send a message that you disagree with the choices available.
I find this ironic because your dissatisfaction with Obama stems from his choice to take a third route on a very important issue, neither opposing nor supporting, but taking a third choice that refuses to endorse either side, butinstead expresses dissatisfaction with his choices.
On a side note (and I am a former member of Operation Rescue) – Abortion is not murder because the people doing it do not believe they are committing murder. If fetuses are people. it is Manslaughter – a taking of a human life, not realizing that it was a human life. Is it bad? Yes. But I can see the opposing view – I just disagree with it.
So, while the act itself is evil, the people committing it are not.. they just don’t see it as a human life (and in the case of the first half of pregnancy, especially the first trimester, that is easy to do). I am pro-life, but I think that for any progress to be made, the opposing sides need to see where they can meet to get more of what they want.
My $.02 JT
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if the abortion is botched
Because a born-alive infant is physiologically very different from a fetus. The reason pro-abortionists do not consider abortion murder is that the embryo/fetus is not as fully human as a delivered infant. It’s not viable outside of the mother without significant modification (which naturally happens at birth) and presents real risks to her wellbeing. Once a baby is born, those justifications are completely removed. If you’re okay with killing newborns, why not 3-month olds? Passage through the cervix is the last clear line of demarcation…cross it and the sky’s the limit.
Line of Demarcation
Kind of my point. I don’t accept the cervix as the line of demarcation, I push it a lot further earlier in the developmental process. Obviously, if you try to kill a fetus in a botched abortion as it survives, it was viable EVEN THOUGH it was still in the womb.
To me, killing a 3-month-old is the same a killing a survivor of a botched abortion as is killing a fetus which will normally develop into a baby. To me, you need three things: 1 egg, 1 sperm, and a nice, warm uterus. Once a fertilized egg successfully embeds in the uterus, then without any additional actions by anyone, a baby will develop.
Once that happens, if you do anything to stop the development of that baby, it’s murder. Sorry if that’s harsh, but that’s how I feel. I also feel the mother gave up her rights when she got pregnant. Having sex means accepting the possibility you may get pregnant. If that happens, then you having to take the rights of your new baby into account.
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Lines of demarcation
Unlike you, apparently, I consider the morning-after pill to be a fine invention. Within the first week after conception, it’s just a tiny cluster of cells.
As a for-instance, my wife has an IUD. It works several ways to prevent pregnancy. One of those ways is that the copper within the unit encourages the production of hormones to ABORT AN OTHERWISE HEALTHY ZYGOTE within a few days of conception.
I become increasingly uncomfortable with abortion the closer one gets to full-term delivery.
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Matthew P. Barnson
I May Be Unclear
I have no problem with the morning after pill as well. Note my requirements for it to be considered a viable life: 1) sperm 2) egg 3) safely attached to the uterus.
Sperm + egg doesn’t = life to me, because you have to have an incubator to support the whole process. The mother is necessary for life to develop, as she provides the energy and shelter for the zygote/fetus to grow. A fertilized egg, without a uterus to incubate it, will die. A fertilized egg, safely attached to the uterus, will develop into a baby without any further action.
So the morning after pill and IUDs and most other birth control don’t bother me. However, if you’re on birth control and you get pregnant, that doesn’t give you a pass, because I believe engaging in the act of sex is tacit acceptance of the possibility of life and the responsibility for said life.
My $.02 Weed
A fertilized egg, safely
Not true, not true.
It may be subsumed by another growing embryo to form a chimera.
It may transform into a hydatidiform mole.
But a baby that is born is a baby, full stop. So I could overlook Obama’s lies about public campaign funding, but it gets harder when he refuses to protect infants from parents that don’t want them.
You are obviously attempting to draw a physiological line somewhere–implantation. Birth is another very clear line, for both the mother and the baby. An autopsy on a newborn can clearly reveal whether it was alive at birth or not because of the many changes that occur at that point.
Unfortunately, I don’t think such a clear line can be drawn between implantation and birth, but I think the line is definitely earlier. Once the fetus is viable outside of the womb, it’s too late. I don’t think allowing 3-6 months to decide whether to get an abortion or not is too short of a time, either.
This is why I don’t get involved
This is why I don’t get involved in threads discussing abortion.
Dude went and got all chimera and hydatidiform on him.
When we get to that point, it’s time to close the thread for good.
almost
Okay, ‘normally’, once a fertilized egg is implanted, a baby will result. Yes, it may not, but a baby may be born and then die as well, so what’s the difference?
My line is earlier than Daniel’s line…nanny nanny boo boo! 😉
My $.02 Weed
The difference
The difference is in whether you are killing a person vs are you killing something that is genetically human.
That cluster of Uterus-embedded cells is different than, say, a 3 month fetus, which is different than a six month fetus, which is different than a baby who dreams and recognizes its mother and can feel fear and pain.
Murder, again, no. Manslaughter is a possible argument.. but to equate a first trimester abortion to looking into the crying afraid eyes of your victim as they plead to you not to end their life and then shooting them in the face.. no.. sorry.. not the same.
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Yes it is
Again, why is it so bad to kill a child? Because you can look at them and see that when you kill and child, you’re effectively killing the future. They are our future, and they must be protected at all costs.
I’m sorry, but I “see” a fetus as the same thing…our future. Left alone, a fetus will (“most likely”, added for Daniel’s sake) become a baby. Just because you can hold a baby and it’s cute doesn’t mean it deserves any better protection than the fetus. They’re both alive.
“Oh, but a baby can survive outside it’s mother, therefore it’s more alive than a fetus.” Uhm, really? Leave the baby by itself for 5 days in a room, then come back. See how alive it is then. Just because the mother is feeding it externally instead of internally doesn’t change it’s dependence. A baby can’t survive “on its own” until it’s 6-10 years old, maybe.
You’re letting emotion get into the way. Logically, to me, once the foundations for life to occur have been met: fertilized egg implanted in the uterus; then without any further external influences a baby will occur. Just because it’s not cute and cuddly doesn’t mean it doesn’t deserve the same rights. Just because it’s more convenient to murder it while it’s in the first trimester doesn’t change the fact.
It’s murder. Plain and simple.
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Grumpy old man…
For today’s act, I’m going to play the part of the Grumpy Old Bastard* who says horrible things without caring about social propriety.
GOB: “The world is not suffering a shortage of people.”
GOB: “The world is full of difficult life-and-death decisions. Whether to pull the plug on a dying family member who has gotten too expensive to keep on life support. Whether to carry a baby to full term that you know will be a huge financial burden due to severe Down’s Syndrome. Whether to kill that known terrorist and his entire family that he’s using as human shields, or to let him live to kill more of your friends another day. “The social benefits that come from the availability of clean, survivable abortions far outweigh the negatives of outlawing it.”
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Matthew P. Barnson
* “Grumpy Old Bastard” is a fictional character, trademark ™ 2008 Matthew P. Barnson. Any persons, events, or opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the author.
GOB or GOP?
Normally, I’m the one who say, “The gov’t shouldn’t be helping you, help yourself.” Don’t have the gov’t bail out banks and people who got into mortgage agreements they could sustain, etc, etc.
But rewording your statements, you’re basically saying, “It’s okay to murder because we’ve got too many people and new ones would be a burden.”
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
I just think that these rights are afforded to people a little bit earlier than you. And those rights above are only guaranteed so long as they don’t infringe on other’s rights. So the rights of the woman must respect the rights of the new life inside her. She took responsibility when she took actions which could create life.
Let’s kill all the mentally handicapped, they’re a drain as well, and we have too many people as is.
Rationalization of why it’s okay to murder is fine, as long as you still admit it’s murder.
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Framing…
GOB Response: “At the time of the framing of the Constitution, the word “men” meant only “rich, white, male landowners”. The USA has seen a continual expansion of rights to include more categories over time, including women, blacks, and ‘the Chinese’ (yes, in Utah, you were not allowed to vote if you were Asian for quite some time, nor were you allowed to marry a white person). You’re fighting for a right that a zygote does not yet possess.”
Note my actual opinion differs from the GOB response above. But I do like to play devil’s advocate 🙂
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Matthew P. Barnson
Oh Mighty GOB
Why does this zygote not possess that right?
Because it’s not alive? It can be killed.
Because it’s not yet human? It won’t turn into a monkey or a protozoa.
Because it’s not yet sentient? And when does it become sentient? At what point can you say “nope, not yet…not yet…not yet…NOW!”
Because it can’t cry for help or vote or make you money? Because it is inconvenient and a nasty aftermath of you sexual frolicing? DING DING DING! We have a winner.
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The time…
I’d say right around age twenty-nine…
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Matthew P. Barnson
Not so plain.. not so simple.
And again, I am pro-life.. but Murder is one of those inflammatory terms that gets us nowhere.
Not all killing of people is Murder. People who get abortions are not cold-blooded killers, even if you are right about them killing.
They are doing something they do NOT believe is taking a life, so they are involuntarily committing manslaughter.
What we need to be able to do is say, “Okay, we’ll give you the first trimester, will you give us the third?”
Why? Because I don’t see any real sign of sentience in those first months. No emotions, no real anything in the brain is going on. Certainly not enough to feel fear or contemplate their fate. I’d give that if I could get the viable babies saved, the ones who feel pain and dream.
I’m less concerned about a POTENTIAL life, I want to save the life I know is there.
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Democracy…
This kind of compromise — where neither party entirely gets their way, despite the absolutist rhetoric — is at the heart of how to peacefully govern a democracy.
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Matthew P. Barnson
Amen My $.02 Weed
Amen
My $.02 Weed
You know the magic word…
You know the magic word, you need merely invoke that dessert pastry and all will be closed…
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Matthew P. Barnson
ANTI PIE
I declare Anti Pie until someone truly gets nasty. We have a vibrant, passionate thread here, and I am interested to see how it goes.
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Not Voting For Nader As Well
Dan, totally with you. I’m not voting for that silver-tongues Nader as well.
One-issue voters
Here are a quick summary for one-issue voters.
Obama: Pro-choice McCain: Pro-Life
Obama: Neither pro nor anti-gun; opposes federal gun control, but supports state & local gun control. McCain: Pro-gun, with occasional minor dissents from the Republican pro-gun lobby.
Obama: Opposes gay marriage, but supports civil unions. McCain: Opposes gay marriage, but believes it’s a state issue, not federal.
Obama: Supports separation of church and state. McCain: Believes the USA is a “Christian Nation”, and does not believe in the separation of church and state.
Obama: Engage in an orderly 18-month pullout from Iraq. McCain: An Iraq pullout in such a short period is tantamount to genocide.
Obama: Negotiate with Iran. McCain: Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.
Obama: The invasion of Iraq was a mistake. McCain: The invasion of Iraq was inevitable, but mis-managed, principally by deploying too few troops to keep the peace.
Obama: Increase US presence in Afghanistan. McCain: Increase US presence in Afghanistan.
GoogleFight.com shows Obama with 141 million results and McCain with 70 million results.
Obama: Young-ish McCain: Old-ish
Obama: Part black, as far as I know. McCain: 100% honkey, as far as I know.
Obama: Christian McCain: Christian
Obama: Blames the national debt on war spending and the military-industrial complex. Get out of Iraq and stop spending money making war to balance the budget. McCain: Blames the national debt on expansion of entitlement programs. Eliminate or reduce the most egregious entitlement programs like Medicare and Medicaid and you can balance the budget.
Note: Both candidates tax plans would expand the national debt, McCain’s by $3.72 trillion, Obama’s by $2.73 trillion.
There ya go!
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Matthew P. Barnson
Very handy checklist
Thanks for compiling that, Matthew. 🙂
Self Made
Barrack Obama is a self made man. He was born in an average mixed-race family. He worked his ass off in school, got a scholarship and worked his way to the top. He is honest about who is and what his voting record has been and doesn’t pander to the crowd or special groups to get votes.
When was the last time you saw a politician like that? All you have to do is watch some of his speeches and you will be hooked. It doesn’t matter if he is black, white, purple, green, democrat, republican or commie bastard. His vision is about bringing people together and making this country great again. If you can’t see it in his face and hear it in his voice you are a fool.
A vote for anyone else is a nail in the coffin for this country.